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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:59 am

I was leaning towards a stone type tile for the bottom of the tank, I'll have the maintenance man pick some up. Do you grout the tile? They wouldn't be removable but it would eliminate anything getting down under the tiles. The tank is 48" long, 12" wide and 18" tall. I had planned to sculpt some ledges and hides with the excavator, I'll make sure to create a basking spot -- usually his hammock and cork wood combined -- at the right distance from his lights.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:14 am

The thing about permanent basking spots if you haft to move them you cant --- and you dont want that - a piece of decor that offers a gradient heat is best -- something like this https://www.petsmart.com/reptile/habita ... gid=500116 this piece can be laid in the tank different ways and offers gradient heat spots that way he can pick a spot to bask -- tiles is good I have them in my tanks and they are not grouted and you dont want something too course so it scrapes his belly -- something w/ texture but a smooth texture like this [Click image to enlarge]
this came from Home Depot cost me $13 to tile a 4x2x2 tank -- my tile has a thick paper towel underneath its a shop towel from Walmart - they catch the watery urate and protect the bottom of the tank and easy to clean up-- I clean the tiles w/ a vinegar/ water solution 50/50 -- takes away the smell and sanitizes as well -- I want to be able to remove the tile if I haft to so it is cut to the size of the tank and just laid in there
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:46 pm

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The first phase of updating Charlie's cage is complete. I had a friend come and spend some extra time with Charlie while I cleared out and cleaned the whole tank. I used vinegar water, as you suggested and then rinsed with clean water and finished off wiping the glass with newspaper. There is some stubborn, greasy residue on the tank, but I think it might need a special cleaner.

We actually had the ceramic tile and shop towels on hand, but we did have to figure out how to cut the tile. It's not perfect but it will do for now. I might invest in some nicer tile and have my father-in-law cut it to size on his wet saw at some point in the future.

I know change is hard for beardies and I just realized he is getting ready to shed on the top of his head. Poor guy will be all out of sorts! To ease the transition, I put all the basic pieces back in roughly their original placement. I did cut down on a few rocks since I won't have room for them with the excavator.

And we were able to find an incandescent to get us through until the new heat bulbs come. I know it isn't ideal, but you've mentioned getting the red one replaced enough times that I figured it will do in a pinch.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:52 pm

Where are the thermometers??? You need to get a temp of his basking spot--- he will not be able to digest his food w/ out proper temps--- you need a digital probe thermometer ASAP-- what wattage of bulb do you have in there now? And what wattage did you order? It is going to be trial and error w/ bulbs -- you do not want to burn him up-- the tank looks better and you might look at taking some of the decor pieces out -- they do need floor space and it looks like a lot of floor space is gone -- Charlie needs a hide -- what is that big black box thing sitting at the end of the tank?
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby CooperDragon » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:05 pm

I like the look of the enclosure. The top is very clever with the chain to hold the light fixture in place while you open it.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:17 pm

CooperDragon wrote:I like the look of the enclosure. The top is very clever with the chain to hold the light fixture in place while you open it.

We had to do that because I kept lifting the lid and making the thing fall. I broke two bulbs because I couldn't learn. We also had to engineer the lid to make it safe for kids to be around. I didn't want anyone to grab a cord and pull the lamp down on themselves.

I have a small digital thermometer with a probe that hangs down by the top of his cork wood. It's reading 86.5 F now. The bulb we put in is 150 watts, is that okay? The tank is still warming as I cleaned it and only got it all set up about an hour ago. I took out one of the rocks in the picture. I left his black rock because he likes to rub on it to help with his shedding. The black object on the end of the tank is all I have right now for a water dish. I'm pretty sure it's just a a hide that was bought when he was tiny. The previous owner used it as his food bowl. I rarely use it but I took his waterfall out and wanted him to have water to soak in this weekend if necessary. I put his plants back in because I was afraid to take away too many things he's used to. I plan to make space for them in the ledges I'll sculpt from the excavator substrate.

I do have a plan for a hide with the excavator, I just don't have it yet. I hate that I can't do everything for him today. I don't want him to be sick because I'm still learning what I'm doing.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:25 pm

Take that digital probe and put it where he sits for basking-- you need to get that basking temp - it needs to be 95-110 for basking --- the bulb needs to be bright white I think it is if its a incandescent bulb and its 150 watt? Is that light on in the picture that you posted it or is it off? I would downsize the water bowl - its too big --- does he drink from a bowl? Water falls are a no no in dragons tanks they are reptiles not amphibians :) --- it would drive the humidity up too high -- I would invest in a hygrometer as well --- put it on the back middle of wall in tank -- 86 is good for the cool side of the tank -- you want 3 different temps in the tank a basking spot of 95-110-- a middle of tank 90's and cools side 80's
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:58 pm

The temps have been the hardest thing for me to get right. I have adjusted the way his cork piece sits and it's now reading that his basking spot is 95.6 F. When we first got him in April, I had the worst time getting his tank up into the 80s let alone the 90s. I made him a quick hide out of a cardboard box. I think it will get him through the weekend. I removed the water bowl and both rocks. He seems to be okay, no glass surfing to tell me he's unhappy with all the changes.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:05 pm

Yep basking temps and in the tank itself can be frustrating- the light in the pic is on or off
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:51 pm

It’s on. I have to leave it one to get any heat at all. The library has very high ceilings and it’s all open. The ambient temperature is low enough there is no other way to regulate Charlie’s tank. Someday I dream of a piece of furniture that his tank can be custom fitted into that will help insulate him.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:18 pm

You have a bright white basking bulb coming correct? Show me what you ordered please
this is what you need I would get a 100 watt and a 150 watt trial and error
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:07 pm

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V90F5FK/re ... jFb3G2MQE0

I ordered a 2 pack so I’d have an extra. I plan to have a CHE as well, for night. I am unable to completely turn off all heat sources at night because of the building’s temperature.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby KarrieRee » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:41 pm

Ok you do not want temps in the tank at nite over 80--- they like cool and dark it helps slow metabolism for better nite sleep-- in the lower to mid 70's--- but you haft to get your basking temps correct so he can digest his food and UVB will help him absorb his calcium- are you dusting his bugs w/ calcium D3? Vitamins w/ beta carotene too- I forgot how old Charlie was- so your basking bulbs are good that you ordered let's see what temps you get for basking you may haft to go to a 150 watt- what bulb did you get for the che?
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby saraho » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:11 pm

The CHE is a 100 watt I think. I’m really not sure how to keep his nighttime temperature from dipping into the 60s. I do dust his bugs and veggies with calcium D3 powder. I’ll have to buy the vitamins with beta carotene tomorrow at PetSmart. I am planning to get another thermometer for the cool side of the tank too.
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Re: Charlie the Library Lizard

Postby AHBD » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Hi Sarah, that's a sweet story about getting Charlie as the library mascot. :) He looks the picture of health and not stunted at all. They don't all grow to be 24 " , as a matter of fact it's not that common. Around 19-22" seems to be the average size, some a little smaller, some a little bigger. He seems to be nice + calm too, so you got a good one ! It looks like you're getting his tank squared away. I personally never had a problem with sand [ over 25 years ] It's usually sickly dragons that ingest + have a problem with and especially if the temps. are too low for digestion. For an adult 100 is a perfect basking temp. Calcium type sand can be dangerous though because beardies may purposely eat it. Keep offering greens like turnip, mustard , collard + kale along with green beans, squash + blueberries. He'll eventually like at least some of it. It is a good idea too take him home for the winter so that'll be a good move. Hope to hear more stories of the adventures of Charlie in the future !
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