Deciding On Next Lizard

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Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:17 am

What are some other lizard species that dont mind handling and can live in a 20G long (30"x12"x12") tank when full grown? Seeing if I can repurpose my beardy's baby tank without inevitably needing a larger tank.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby CooperDragon » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:54 am

Maybe a smaller species like a gecko? I repurposed my 20g Long into my roach colony =)
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:01 pm

Currently it'll be the feeding tank so i dont have to fish left overs out of the main tank and hopefully poop as well, we'll see what I can get her schedule down to.

Still with parents who are anti roaches, even when it comes to dubias. Especially against breeding them, horribly afraid of an infestation.

I was thinking about a leopard or crested gecko but Im not familiar with them, hence asking here. I really want my next lizard to be an arboreal alligator lizard but they're too large for a 20G so that wont be this tanks next use.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby AHBD » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:05 pm

Leopard gecko are the easiest to care for + to handle. They're adorable pets + tolerate handling pretty well after they settle in + grow a bit if you get a baby.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:51 pm

Leopard geckos do look adorable and IK they're easy to care for, Ive handled them before but not extensively.

As much as Id like the second lizard to be the arboreal alligator lizard after the research Ive done recently, this tank isnt large enough to repurpose into an adult tank for one (recommended from what I found was 20x20x30H") and this is only a 20G long.

On the other hand, Id imagine a leopard gecko being easier and cheaper in every aspect.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Gormagon » Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:12 pm

Uromastix is one I've been thinking about for a while.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby MrSpectrum » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:48 am

Deabrua wrote:Still with parents who are anti roaches, even when it comes to dubias. Especially against breeding them, horribly afraid of an infestation.

What's the climate like Over the Rainbow?

Unless you live in FL, CA, LA, or HI, (or someplace with avg temps in the 90s and avg humidity above 50%) that's nigh impossible.

dubia breeding requirements

Lessee... 20 gal is still too small for even a Rankin (Dwarf Beardie).
I checked my list of "also rans" (considerations for my next...) but they're all (close to) beardie size.
Leopard Gecko (or a Day Gecko) are ideas, but AFAIK, most/all of the New Caledonian species are at least semi arboreal, so vertical habitats are recommended.

You might try this search: small lizards for pets for suggestions, then verify their size and enclosure requirements. :wink:
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:19 pm

Finally got a pass on dubias. Temps in my area have ranged from a record low of -39 to a record high of 113. Generally though, we see single digits to 20s in the winter and 80s/90s during the summer.

Since my beardy has not touched the base floor of her tank once, albeit occasionally using the center platform, it'll be divided in two and the 20gal will remain a feeding tank. I know it's plenty but the 24x43" floor space doesn't seem like enough. At 24" tall it's roughly 107 gallons albeit not much of the height would end up being used. The lower half is roughly the same albeit the tank wasn't cut in half quite perfectly.

I've decided that the second lizard will be my college graduation present, and a reason to hit that goal a semester early.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby MrSpectrum » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:45 am

You're probably already aware, but if you need any further arguments, dubias can't fly, don't bite, and can't climb slick surfaces (like Sterilite-type tubs).

I was surprised the other day. I fumbled ZaRDoZ' bowlful of dubias and they went all over. I was only able to recover about half of them, but DW didn't freak out! (She had the same revulsion reflex as your folks). Instead, she was very supportive, reminding me they wouldn't survive the current winter and lack of sustenance. Like Indiana Jones, I chose... wisely. :)

If I'm reading/understanding you correctly, 24" x 43" enclosure floor space sounds marginal (48 x 24 or larger recommended). Here's a guideline I like. Assuming 24" dragon length, that would be 48-72"L x 24-36"D x 36-48"H. Personally, I think I'd try to keep to no more than 24-30"H for reasonably locating the UVB and safety (My dragon tends to fall/jump off things... :oops: )

Good luck & congrats on graduation!
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:14 pm

Their aversion is literally due to the word roach being in the name. I showed them the dubias and explained why they're better than crickets in every way before I told them what they were. My beardy is 17 months old and around 18" right now. Both of her parents stopped at 22". The height of either tank if I were to divide the full enclosure would be around 23-24", I use a T5 at higher heights rather than a T8 that's closer to her due to her knack of climbing and falling off things...

I was always told that 40G breeders are the minimum. 43x24x24 is 107 gallon. Even if you cut it to 18" it's still 80 gallon. For 43x24 to drop to 40 gallon, the height would have to drop below 9". For 43x24 to drop to 50 gallon, the height would have to drop to 11". It's also only 5" short of the suggested 4'x2'x2'.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby MrSpectrum » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:38 am

Deabrua wrote:I was always told that 40G breeders are the minimum.

Yes, minimum; 48x24x24 is currently the "recommended/ideal" size--based on a consensus of credible/reputable sources--and/or larger ("as large as one can afford"). It appears that 40G is old/outdated information. However, discussions I've read also usually mention how often one takes their dragon out of the enclosure as being a factor.

I've never been one for minimums--but that's me. :roll: I tend to overdesign/oversize things as well. It's only since I got back into this hobby (and after I built my 60x24x24) that I found articles recommending enclosure size based on multiples of the lizard's length, and I've seen several now. It makes sense. I don't really like gallons for enclosure size measurements for the very reasons you mentioned; there are a lot of ways--dimension-wise--that you can get to any particular gallon size, but will that be suitable for a particular species (e.g. terrestrial vs. burrowing vs. arboreal, etc.)?

Things change as the academics learn more about keeping these critters. :)
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:58 am

Her current tank is actually 48" tall with three platforms. [Click image to enlarge]


She uses the middle and top platform but not the bottom so Im heavily debating closing it off to have two, like mentioned before. Also normally there's more in the tank, don't worry. This is from when the tank was put back together the second time as the mortar project had finally finished. The 48x24 vs 43x24 floor space is 1152 sqr inch vs 1032 sqr inch.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby MrSpectrum » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:07 am

Actually, that looks quite adequate considering the height. Have you considered some large branches (to simulate trees/shrubs) in lieu of or in addition to platforms? I've got lots of horizontal room that he almost never avails himself of except when he's on a plant-stomping tour. :lol:

He's usually content to sit atop his basking tower with an expression that screams, "Leave me alone--I'm basking!" :lol:

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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby Deabrua » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:43 pm

I've more stuff to put in there, simply no pics of when it's been in... but she still only utilizes the upper two platforms, the lower tank remains untouched. Probably due to temperatures.
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Re: Deciding On Next Lizard

Postby MrSpectrum » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:39 am

No doubt. I put the "holes" in the brick basking tower mostly to reduce/save weight. He uses them for tunnels, but never as hides. I'd say he spends 90-95% of his waking time basking up there, the remainder split between eating and stomping plants, though lately he's been spending considerable time (3+ hrs./day) "worshiping" one particular plant in the back corner. It's the weirdest thing... :?

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