DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

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DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:36 am

Hello

I'm a newbie owner. My Beardie is supposedly only 4months old but is nearly 11inches in length [beardie manual I have states at this age he should be around 8inches]. Don't know if he is older or just growing at an alarming rate? I'm just curious if anyone with a bit off beardie rearing experience has any thoughts on this?


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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby Stres » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:09 am

AineLovesSteves wrote:Hello

I'm a newbie owner. My Beardie is supposedly only 4months old but is nearly 11inches in length [beardie manual I have states at this age he should be around 8inches]. Don't know if he is older or just growing at an alarming rate? I'm just curious if anyone with a bit off beardie rearing experience has any thoughts on this?


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Hi there, not sure about average size - age, but here's an image of my dragon taken 2 days ago. It's around 5 months old

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Also they look related, I got mine from an Irish breeder (where dragons dwell)
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:31 am

Yes they look like twins!!!Such a small world :-)
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AHBD » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:58 am

Hi there, those are beautiful dragon. :) Your dragon is right in the average , some are larger at that age and some can be a bit smaller. I've hatched + raised many beardies , the largest 4 month old was 18" when I sold him.
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby kingofnobbys » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:21 am

I personally don't place much value on comparisons based on length , typically here it STT (Snout - tailtip) , but many beardies loose their tail tips when very young to siblings who see a moving/twitching tail and bite it thinking it's food..

In scientific lit the standard is VTS (vent to snout) length and weight.

I place more reliance on beardie's weights.

Very easy to track the growth of a beardie by regularly weighing it.

My records show that at 4 months old
Rex (f) was 128g
Puff (m) was 105g
Peppa (f) was 119g
Toothless (m) was 91g

at 5 months old
Rex was 148g
Puff was 121g
Peppa was 191g
Toothless was 137g

Your beardie looks the same build as my Rex was at that age and also my Toothless. Toothless is highly energetic , a live wire ,while Puff and Peppa were much more laid back.

Four different dragons, even if sibling pairs, four completely different personalities, characters and behaviours. They are all different.
CBDs: Puff ( RIP 10Dec2015 (3.2 years old (aneurism)) ,Rex (RIP 16Mar2017 at 4.6 yrs old (unexplained death)) , both adopted at 6wks old..Toothless & Peppa : (5 wks old 19dec2015).
Eastern BT Skinks : George & Mildred (born Sept 2010).
Eastern Water Skinks : Lucky (wild juvenile), rescued from a cat.Taken by a SI and far too soon, 9mths with us. RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles - (rescued injured), small lizard thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016.)
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:22 pm

I weighed him and hes only around 45grams...and now i am panicking. Maybe he is younger than what i was told?
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby Skipper7 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:20 pm

Thats certainly a possibility. Does he appear to have a bit of a gut? Are his hips and tail filled out with no visible bones? Can you see the fat pads on his head? If so, I wouldn't worry too much about the weight.
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AHBD » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:37 pm

They all grow at different rates, as long as he's healthy + you have the proper set up [ which you can list all your tank specs. here if you like in case you need to make adjustments ] then he should be fine. :)
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:27 am

AineLovesSteves wrote:I weighed him and hes only around 45grams...and now i am panicking. Maybe he is younger than what i was told?


At 3 months old :
Peppa was 61g
Toothless was 51g
Puff was 43g
Rex was 40g

Just for a comparison.
CBDs: Puff ( RIP 10Dec2015 (3.2 years old (aneurism)) ,Rex (RIP 16Mar2017 at 4.6 yrs old (unexplained death)) , both adopted at 6wks old..Toothless & Peppa : (5 wks old 19dec2015).
Eastern BT Skinks : George & Mildred (born Sept 2010).
Eastern Water Skinks : Lucky (wild juvenile), rescued from a cat.Taken by a SI and far too soon, 9mths with us. RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles - (rescued injured), small lizard thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016.)
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:06 pm

thanks for the comparison weights as they have really helped ease my mind a bit
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:01 am

r.e Skipper

Yes when he sits up he has a wee [sorry everything in the north of ireland is "wee"] fat belly that sits out like an old man with a guinness gut hahaha its adorable. And no bony parts, tail thick and strong and no sunken fat pads on his head.Gonna watch his weight closely though
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:31 am

r.e AHBD [Sorry havent figured out how to reply to individual messages yet]

3ft x 2ft tank, with uvb80 long tube desert light , ceramic heat lamp 75w above basking spot which u can see in the picture its black, reptile carpet, stone steps, branch and log. temp probe at basking end near lamp [sits around 35-40 degrees C] and at cool end near the stone step [sits around 28-30degress C].spends time in both areas mostly on various parts of the big log, comes over to glass when i am about to get out to use me as a climbing frame/pillow.light on for 12-14hrs daily off at night.turn it on for an hour in morning prior to feeding time so he has time to wake up etc.gets fed again in the afternoon if he appears interested.put various veggies on the stone step which he eats/runs through.i mist him daily as i think he may be about to shed as his colouring is dulling slightly in areas but again im new to this.not feeding him morio worms again as he just passed the outer casing of one obviously hard to digest.think this might explain why he didnt want to eat yesterday.will stick to softer insects.Any thoughts/input much appreciated.thanks in advance :-)

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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AHBD » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:21 am

Nice big viv for him to run around. :) Big logs are always the best + most natural cage furniture for beardies, I agree to nix the morio [ super] worms definitely until he's older + bigger, and even then just use as a part of his diet along with other insects .

Do you say that his heat lamp is a black CHE ? Is there a bright white basking light anywhere ? If not, you need to swap out the CHE or set up another bright light and only use the black one for heat at night if it's needed. Beardies thrive in a brightly lit cage which can not be acheived using a ceramic heater.
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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AineLovesSteves » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:44 am

The black light is not really a light its ceramic and emits heat only-its above his basking spot to keep temperatures there hot for basking but it also heats the whole tank but obviosuly the parts not directly under it are slightly cooler for him incase he gets too warm basking. Across the top of the whole viv in a diagonal line i have a long tubular uv light.tried to get a picture below for you to see.sorry about the angle i had to lie on the floor to take it whilst Balthazar was giving me the old stinkeye

p.s the black plastic wires u see on the back of viv are my temperature probs, i have secured them with duct tape till i get something a bit more permanent to hold them in place

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Re: DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES

Postby AHBD » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:08 am

Yes, that's what I asked about, whether it's a CHE. Those should not be used as the primary daytime basking light. The uvb gives off a dull light, the beardie needs a white basking bulb rather than the CHE. Beardies are affected very much by how their tank is lit. Try to get a regular white heat bulb for the tank ASAP. You can even use a halogen bulb par 38 from Walmart or a home or hardware store. A small flood lamp can also be used.
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