Adenoviruses

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Lenoria

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I was wondering if anyone knew anymore about this virus, as well as any known breeding colonies that were known to have this? My husband and I have been keeping bearded dragons for six, going on seven years. Before I go any further, we have the proper setup for our dragons. Before the virus struck, all ten of our boys and girls were in perfect health, and we helped educate others in our area on the proper care of bearded dragons. Problems didn't occur until our eldest fell sick with what was believed to be liver failure (her brother and herself, who passed away a month later, came from a local pet store). Our second youngest then died two months in her sleep, without any known signs of issues. Again, our vet didn't think there was any issues and nothing showed up in the autopsy.

Things didn't become suspicious until last night, when two of our dragons were taken to the vet. A blood test was taken for both of these boys, and one of them died on the way home. The blood test put his white blood sell count at over 58,000. Along with this blood test, we also had them test for Adenovirus, but we won't have test results until after New Years. We have already lost four dragons, and we are trying our best to contain this virus before it kills our others.

Back to the question above, does anyone knows if these breeders are known to have issues? This is where our babies came from...

Distinctive Dragons - (two of our babies, one of which died last night) (4 years old now)

Blood Bank - (We purchased this dragon when Distinctive Dragons were going out of business due to health issues) (6 years old)

Georgia Dragons - 2 leucistics (3 years old)

Daichu - our youngest. (1 year old)

Jack's Pets - These were our two oldest that have passed. As you can see from above, we did most people did in the beginning ;) (these would be nearly seven)


We are trying to track down where the virus came from so that if any other reptiles may have been effected, we can help warn others so that this virus doesn't spread. I have read information from our vet, from wikis, and other websites, but other owners are usually the best for getting info. The only other place where our dragons could have become exposed is when they were working as therapy animals at one of the local hospitals. They went in to brighten children's days with mental disabilities. Thank god we have never bred, at least!

Sorry if this seems a bit scatter brained. It has been less than 24 hours since we lost our beloved Fenrir, and we all know how it is to lose a beloved pet and family member.
 

Gail

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The virus has been around for quite awhile, it resurfaced a few years back and many breeders tested but many didn't. From what I've read/hear no big name breeders who tested had clean colonies and its suspected that very few if any breeders have completely virus free dragons.

I know Daichu refused to do testing and I heard but can't confirm that bloodbanks has the virus. There really is no way to track down where it came from since its pretty much everywhere.

Here is a site for you to check out. If you contact the site owner, she might be able to give you more info about the breeders.
http://www.thepats.info/
 

Lenoria

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Awesome, Thanks. Our dragon that came from Blood Bank has been sick from day one. All the dragons that are the worst came from the Bloodbank gene pool. Hmm...isn't that interesting!
 

Gail

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They have terrible breeding practices. They don't keep track of bloodlines or who is mating with who, females are paired with multiple males over a period of a few days so you never know who the parents really are. There have been a lot of sick dragons from BB this year and many have died.
 

Lenoria

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Yes, I am not a fan of Blood Bank from what I have read. I had a bad feeling that our issues may have stemmed from them. We bought our big guy from another breeder and he has been sick for a very long time. We love him to death though :) We are just hoping we can contain this before we lose anymore dragons.
 

Fuzzyviper

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I believe there was an article on this in either the November or December "Reptiles" magazine. I read them during my lunch breaks at work. Have you had all the dragons tested or just the ones that are sick? I remember it saying that some animals will live their entire lives with the virus and be completely healthy. And yes, anyone that plans to breed needs to have their animals tested for this since the only way to curb this virus is to breed and maintain healthy stock. Now you've got me thinking about having my Malygos tested just to know if I have anything to worry about.
 

Lenoria

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It isn't confirmed just yet. If the tests come back positive we are testing everyone for obvious reasons. The tests were sent to the university of Florida and take ten days to get results. We are waiting anxiously and have a quarantine zone in the house.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

I am so sorry to hear of your issues!
I received your inquiry & am going to be responding to you on monday. I have had a busy last few days with the holidays & having to work, both.
Everyone on the board knows my stand against Adeno virus. I have been trying to no avail, to get these larger breeders as well as the smaller ones to test. As you can see, I have not had much luck. I do as of now, have one completely negative colony up in Canada. She has worked very hard to keep & obtain her clean colony. She is very proud of them all.


Tracie
 
I also bought a dragon from them, (more like rescued) had nothing but problems with her from day 1

(the reason I need a herp vet in nyc area)
 

spurlee01

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I would be curious to know how yours test. I have seen quite a few deaths of BB dragons lately as well. I don't know if it is only recently they have had problems or if I have only become aware of it recently. It could be that I have only become aware since the video they posted brought some of their practices to light (feeding scorpions and other lizards to their dragons)- Tracie, if it's not okay to reference this video feel free to remove this part of the post.
Sara
 
can I get this from my dragon ? how do i sanitize tank and items, how do i not spread it to my other dragons has anyone dealt with this before?
 

Gail

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No, you can't get it from your dragon. Adeno is very contagious so if you have a positive, that dragon needs to be in a separate room from the others and you have to make sure not to cross contaminate. Anything the positive dragon touches must not be allowed around the other dragon. This includes any feeders the sick dragon had in its cage/feeding area and didn't eat. I'd keep its feeders separate.

Change you clothes after handling the positive one, wash your hands and don't use the same tub for bathing the different dragons. I also would designate a separate are for the positive dragon to run around in, you don't want it to have free reign of the house.

I'm not sure what cleaners will kill the virus, pretty sure bleach won't do the trick. If you suspect your dragon has adeno, you really need to get it tested. Just because one dragon from BB has adeno, doesn't mean every sick one from them does.
 
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